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so, Shadow of the Tomb Raider is really, really racist, right?

• Thread starter Veelk
• Start date Jul 11, 2022

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• #51

I feel like it can stand correct up at that place with RE5 as some of the worst tribalistic racist imagery - we've got to put down these natives, they're made to await less human and animalistic and they're trying to induce fear! Fucking tone deafened equally all hell, especially when it's Lara's meddling that legit leads to the apocalypse.

Yes, the puzzle solving mechanics and the less frequent combat meant that the game could take it's time to really question your office as the player in all of this. The tribal garment restriction, the white savior complex when running effectually in Paititi - definitely made me wonder who actually thought it was a good idea. I think reverence of what yous're trying to depict while too dehumanizing culture into cliche tribal messiness is just a difficult line to draw.

But the whole I Demand TO DO THIS after destroying an unabridged civilization was merely like whaaaaaat.

• #52

LMAO. I shouldn't laugh, but the idea of a AAA game in this day and age being RE5-levels of racist and it not causing a huge shitstorm because it bombed so hard is hilarious. Unless in that location was a shitstorm and I just never read about it? This is the first time I'thou hearing about it.

• #53

You can also play the whole game in various Meso-American languages such as Yucatec and Quechuan if you turn on immersive mode and only one or two characters in the whole game speak English which is nice.

• #55

LMAO. I shouldn't laugh, but the idea of a AAA game in this day and age being RE5-levels of racist and it not causing a huge shitstorm considering it bombed so hard is hilarious. Unless there was a shitstorm and I just never read about it? This is the first fourth dimension I'm hearing about it.

It is wild, I've heard virtually how ass these games were, and a trivial nigh what the OP is talking about, but it's only now that someone cared enough to bring upwards just how genuinely awful it is lol

• #56

the entire premise of the franchise, since the very start, not just talking almost the reboot trilogy, has ever been cursed. it'due south in the very name. it's about an english archaeologist traveling the globe to raid tombs from other cultures

similar, they should have let that shit stay dead and in the nineties where it belongs. no demand to revive it. make a new ip instead

shadow of the tomb raider seems like the worst i and so far, and the racism is even less excusable now than it was 25 twelvemonth ago. the writers really should have known better at this point. but i guess it's simply the logical decision and culmination of a franchise that was always rotten

• #57

I call up it stems from the urban fable about how the Mayas thought the Conquistadors were gods or something

They should make a game well-nigh how the natives thought the Spanish smelled really bad.

• #58

Just give me dinosaurs and dragons back ffs.

• #59

Why does anyone care about the "lara caused the apocalypse" stuff when this bullshit is in the game? Like, this is way worse, right? Like, wtf? Am I missing something? is this somehow alright and I'grand but non understanding information technology?

Because no 1 made it that far.

I don't know a single person who finished that game.

• #sixty

It is wild, I've heard about how ass these games were, and a little most what the OP is talking about, but it'due south only at present that someone cared enough to bring upward merely how genuinely awful it is lol

Except the first ii were good games that reviewed really well.

This tertiary 1 less and then.

• #61

Because no one fabricated information technology that far.

I don't know a unmarried person who finished that game.

Well, y'all do now.

I started and dropped this game atleast 2 times over the several years I've had it. Possibly 3 times.

I feel like I only finished information technology considering I am pushing myself to clear out my excess.

It's not wholly awful, imo, just it was boring, especially the story which I kind of wanted to commencement skipping afterwards.

Ironically, TR2013 has the reverse effect on me. I still don't think it's great, merely had that "Let me just get a bit farther" event on me that made it very playable.

• #62

Oh no - I bailed on this game after marathoning the first two due to a lack of involvement in the formula and it seems similar I fabricated the right selection. Terrible stuff, and this is coming from someone who kinda liked the other ii reboot games.

• #64

Oh this was definitely discussed in length when the game came out. I also had discussions with friends nigh this. Shadow of the Tomb Raider is easily the worst of the trilogy when it comes to this stuff. The funny matter they tried to address the white savior bullshit in this game, just really fucked up so hard they just made it worse. This is what happens when you have a bunch of white people writing a game virtually other people they don't sympathise. This is why yous need diversity in a game studio to button against BS like this.

• #65

Information technology is wild, I've heard about how ass these games were, and a trivial most what the OP is talking near, just information technology's simply at present that someone cared plenty to bring up only how genuinely awful it is lol

The first game is generally agreed to be a good game, the 2nd less so simply still non an "ass" experience by whatever means. Shadow is the most divisive of the bunch, but information technology'southward as well the best in regards to actual gameplay in regards to puzzle solving and less gainsay b

Nepenthe

When the music hits, you experience no pain.

• #66

To be off-white, I assume that any game that has the themes of old schoolhouse western chance serials where white folks are pillaging from minority cultures are just racist by default.........

Simply that is bad even for the genre, what the fuck.

• #67

In the game those characters are hundreds of years old and have become corrupted because someone stole the particular they were created to protect 400 years ago - so they've lost their minds.
I don't think they are intended to exist a depiction of any indigenous people.

I just wanted to finally apply this gif

• #69

LMAO. I shouldn't laugh, merely the idea of a AAA game in this day and age being RE5-levels of racist and it not causing a huge shitstorm because it bombed so hard is hilarious. Unless there was a shitstorm and I just never read about it? This is the first time I'thou hearing about it.

It is wild, I've heard virtually how ass these games were, and a picayune nearly what the OP is talking about, just it's only at present that someone cared enough to bring up just how genuinely awful it is lol

Considering no one made information technology that far.

I don't know a unmarried person who finished that game.

Pretty sure SOTTR sold over viii million copies and the achievement for finishing the game has a near xl% completion rate on Steam. It's likewise rated "very positive" later on most 50k reviews.
This upshot was talked about when the game came out, even on this forum, but the reality is that most people don't care that much. Like yeah, RE5 was far more controversial and made the mainstream media, did it affect the games operation, reception? Not really. Hell, it got re-released multiple times since with no changes.

• #70

I hateful Lara is problematic from the get go, just yeah they seemed to embrace and go shamelessly all-in with the British imperialist affair with this game.

• #71

This is like the worst parts of Indiana Jones were used as inspiration

• #72

Yes, OP, however seeing this thread gives me hope for the futurity

• #73

I honestly think well-nigh people bailed on the game before getting far enough to meet some of that shit. And the residuum never played it at all.

This. I've beaten 1 & 2; three looked the aforementioned and so what was the point?

• #74

And this along with other problems are why this is the worst one in the trilogy.

I actually hope future Tomb Raider games avoid this!

• #75

gameplay wise the balance between the action, puzzles and platforming was the best in the trilogy and the act of raiding tombs was really cool. that existence said the story absolutely fucking sucked, i dont know what they were thinking lmao

• #76

Man game was so forgettable I trounce it and call up none of this.

• #77

Yikes.

Every bit I've said, I preferred when Lara was just an entitled, selfish treasure hunter.

seriously. i'm struggling to believe that there're actually some people who didn't...

&, yes, i played/completed the new trilogy, & shadow in particular was, indeed, pretty atrocious on several levels...

• #78

And this forth with other bug are why this is the worst 1 in the trilogy.

I really promise hereafter Tomb Raider games avoid this!

I don't call back they volition because it's ingrained into the very fabric of the series. We're literally talking about a rich woman that raid tombs to collect treasure. The only 1 I tin can come across them avoiding it is to actively engage with the subject field, I talked a little nigh it here:

• #79

I don't call back they will because it's ingrained into the very textile of the series. We're literally talking about a rich adult female that raid tombs to collect treasure. The just one I can see them avoiding it is to actively engage with the bailiwick, I talked a little about it here:

Oh...

Well, let'southward hope it's not equally bad as what Shadow did at least!

• #80

Oh yeah, the game is pretty overt with this stuff.

shoutouts to Unuratu training her whole life to restore the dominicus but then the saviour Lara just waltzes in and does it anyway

This blew my mind when I played information technology.
Information technology'southward the well-nigh white saviour moment in whatever game I've played.

• #81

I don't remember the ending when I got to that point, must have blacked out in disbelief. Yes it was mad racist

• #82

Nosotros demand to go back to before this crappy reboot.
The games suck then hard now.

Helix

Mayor of Clown Town

• #83

yep.... I never got effectually to this shit.

• #84

I don't think they will because it'south ingrained into the very fabric of the series. Nosotros're literally talking about a rich adult female that raid tombs to collect treasure. The only i I can see them fugitive it is to actively engage with the subject, I talked a little about it here:

If one so wished, i could make Lara a Tomb Raider for rent who retrieves artifacts for their countries of origin, and comes across evil possessive tomb raiders on her travels...

• #85

tomb raider (and uncharted and indiana jones) fans are absolutely in denial thinking that this shit isn't absolutely at the middle of this entire racist and colonialist genre of fiction, including classic tomb raider. it's why i believe in my center of hearts that the franchise either needs to just go away forever, or exist completely retooled so that the games aren't about a rich white adult female stealing artifacts from countries that have been plundered past imperialist powers and in the procedure destroying what would amount to be sites of cultural heritages, no matter her motives, whether she purports to exist an academic or a hero or a selfish asshole who does it for shits and giggles.

and i even say all that having enjoyed the gameplay of shadow of the tomb raider the most out of the entire reboot trilogy! the story is only absolutely fucked.

• #87

So, someone watched Bone Tomahawk and thought they demand their own version?

• #88

I'll acknowledge I was as well sapphically delusional hoping Sam would plough upwardly at whatsoever moment for 2 games to call back annihilation that happens in either sequel. Wtf at that scene.

• #89

Me earlier inbound this thread : Ok that's probably some classic ERA overreaction
Me later clicking on the video : Ok what the fuck was that

• #90

I exercise call back that early mail nailed it. Yous don't see a lot of talk almost this part of the game because most people didn't get that far.
I bounced off this game pretty early I think, even though I really loved the commencement one. It just felt a lot worse in many many ways, even as someone who quit earlier this super intense racism came upwardly. Only the gameplay, story, everything felt wrong.

Surprised to come across simply how bad it gets.

• #91

Disclaimer - this was the get-go modernistic Lara title I played and past far my favorite.

The white savior angle in this game is the worst I've seen in the last 15 years of media, just the tribal corrupted enemies did not register as much more than than an old trope. You meet many natives (is that the correct word in English?) in the game, spend time and acquire virtually their culture, and then having some kind of mystical monstrous elements linked to ancient artifacts bla-bla-bla do no entirely erase the adept parts.

I retrieve this game was written by by and large well-meaning just ultimately very clumsy people. In the same way, native language implementation is as clunky as it is refreshing. I was still surprised by the relatively quiet reaction to those wrong and offensive parts of the game though, as information technology shouldn't ever be reiterated in a product of this scale.

• #92

Yikes.

Every bit I've said, I preferred when Lara was just an entitled, selfish treasure hunter.

Who was incredibly obsesses with incredibly punishing climbing puzzles, and who killed perchance a couple of bears or dinosaurs in the games.
I know I'g in the minority hither, but there'south something soothing and relaxing about the sometime archetype Lara Croft games that the newer ones only completely miss in their effort to go Uncharted.

• #93

I made a thread almost the apocalypse thing because I thought it was such a ridiculous plot indicate to offset such a game with, and let's not forget the part where POC are dying all around you considering of a seismic sea wave/earthquake and devs thought it'd be nice to make information technology a setpiece.

But I hadn't played the ending yet. Aye, it'south the most literal white savior trope I've ever seen in a game, and played completely seriously, of course.

Game was a consummate mess. Simply hey, graphical showcase and stuff !

• #94

If 1 and then wished, i could make Lara a Tomb Raider for hire who retrieves artifacts for their countries of origin, and comes across evil possessive tomb raiders on her travels...

Information technology'd work thematically just I'd say a game where every level is The British Museum would get old fast.

• #95

Would be interesting to play a version of Tomb Raider where Lara is conspicuously portrayed as the "bad guy" of the story.

Something akin to Breaking Bad, where the MC think his motives are good, but as the story progresses it'southward show how much of a sociopath he really is.

• #96

The tribal garment brake, the white savior circuitous when running around in Paititi - definitely made me wonder who really thought it was a good thought.

I was bumping forth the bottom while this bullshit was happening merely then there was a fridging and so breathy and telegraphed to put Lara in the position of white saviour I tapped out. Beginning fourth dimension I ever did that in a TR game

• #97

I beat out information technology simply recently, had played the past 2, got Shadow gratuitous on EGS, figured I'd play it, and yes, it's pretty rough, and just really forgettable. I really miss the older games that were goofy and campy and not bogged down by all the ubisoft nonsense.

• #98

It'd work thematically merely I'd say a game where every level is The British Museum would get former fast.

Plenty of private collectors and other shenanigans to draw from. Like a level where you lot have to steal back some artifacts from a private group of evangelical Christians with no morals.

Would be interesting to play a version of Tomb Raider where Lara is clearly portrayed equally the "bad guy" of the story.

Something akin to Breaking Bad, where the MC retrieve his motives are good, but as the story progresses it'due south bear witness how much of a sociopath he really is.

She is a sociopath. In the offset game she remarks just how easy information technology was to kill and her finishers are brutal. Like executioner level stuff. Lara has no chill.

• #99

Holdup, the Yaaxil are supposed to be people? Damn I literally idea they were mythical monsters like the Oni or something. Other than that, I must be in the minority for loving the reboot TR games, especially Shadow. Mayhap it's the exploration and the setting, just I'1000 actually digging it.

• #100

Me before entering this thread : Ok that's probably some classic ERA overreaction
Me later on clicking on the video : Ok what the fuck was that

I hateful, the fact that y'all had already written off the thread about racist tropes as an "overreaction" in the beginning place is kind of a problem. You should always get into topics like this with an open up mind. It is incredibly rare that Era is "overreacting" to something like this.

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